Curse

Aniewiel · Sep 03, 2005, 02:51 PM // 14:51

Diddy Combs and Jay-Z: $1,000,000 to the Red Cross

Hillary Duff: $250,000 to the Red Cross & to USA Harvest

Dave Matthews Band: 9-12-05 Concert Profits to victims

Serena Williams: $100 per ace at the US Open and every other match this year

Celine Dion: $1,000,000 to the Red Cross

Ellen Degeneres: $500,000 to the Red Cross and her first show will be a Katrina Victims fund raiser

Jay Leno: Auction (he raised $810,000 during the tsunami crisis)

Nicolas Cage: $1,000,000 to the Red Cross

BET (Black Entertainment Television): Telethon for 4 hours

That's a small listing and I'm sure that many more "stars and celebrities" who have social consciences will be donating to assist those in need. They're not all self-centered narcissists.

The undead Mesmer · Sep 03, 2005, 03:30 PM // 15:30

where is bil gates? he gives biljons of money to those companies like the red-cross etc.

Aniewiel · Sep 03, 2005, 03:39 PM // 15:39

This is by no means a comprehensive list. The ones on it are just the ones listed in my morning paper. I am sure that a LOT of celebs are donating anonymously or, as you said, already support organizations like the Red Cross.

The undead Mesmer · Sep 03, 2005, 04:00 PM // 16:00

aaah ok bil gates gave 1,000,000,000 dollars to an african sherity fonds <--correct my grammar if i said it wrong hehe

Jessy · Sep 03, 2005, 04:10 PM // 16:10

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Originally Posted by Aniewiel

Some Celebs DO Pony Up ... They're not all self-centered narcissists.

I think it's important to remember that "ponying up" implies an obligation. I would like to think of charity donations as a gift from the heart of the donating party, not an obligation arising from a demand of somebody wishing to receive some funds of mine.

On that note, since the flooding, a constant stream of people has visited my property requesting a meeting to ask for donations. Be advised that there is a lot of donation fraud, so make sure--if you feel like giving--that you don't give cash to somebody knocking on your door claiming to collect donations, but rather give DIRECTLY to established organizations or charities. The Red Cross comes to mind.

FTC Donation Guide

Sagius Truthbarron · Sep 03, 2005, 05:27 PM // 17:27

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Originally Posted by The undead Mesmer

aaah ok bil gates gave 1,000,000,000 dollars to an african sherity fonds <--correct my grammar if i said it wrong hehe

1 Billion dollars?

The undead Mesmer · Sep 03, 2005, 05:32 PM // 17:32

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Originally Posted by Sagius Truthbarron

1 Billion dollars?

ty for correcting me

Sagius Truthbarron · Sep 03, 2005, 05:37 PM // 17:37

Well, 1,000,000,000 = 1 billion dollars. I can't immagine anyone giving any organisation 1 billion dollars in charity. Is this true? o.o

Mercury Angel · Sep 03, 2005, 05:40 PM // 17:40

Gates and Wife Donate $5 Bil. More
June 2, 1999 - The William H. Gates Foundation becomes the third largest in the nation with total asset base of $10 Billion. It's purpose is to make grants for health, population and education projects worldwide. Source: Yahoo (Story no longer on line)

Bill Gates is a well-known philanthropist, and gives millions at a time to various causes. There've been multiple occasions where he's offered 100 million in a single donation.

1 billion sounds off for a single donation, but it's not totally unbelievable.

Edit: Rather than making a new post about Bill, I'll edit this one.

Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation (Seattle) has donated $1.5-million to the American Red Cross.

Aniewiel · Sep 03, 2005, 05:52 PM // 17:52

I think that, to a certain degree, we all OWE our fellow citizens something in this crisis. It might be as "simple" as prayer or positive thoughts or as "complex" as a billion dollar donation. To each according to his/her ability.

Sagius Truthbarron · Sep 03, 2005, 06:01 PM // 18:01

Wow. Considering that the man has less than 90 billion dollars, it just seemed to me that he would be reluctant to give away 2/20s of his money.

Xue Yi Liang · Sep 03, 2005, 06:29 PM // 18:29

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Originally Posted by Mercury Angel

Bill Gates is a well-known philanthropist, and gives millions at a time to various causes.

It costs MS less than a cent to spit out another copy of XP or Office, but most of us individually and at work pay hundreds of dollars each....

In other words Bill is using our dough for his philanthropy. We deserve the kudos, not him.

Aracos79 · Sep 03, 2005, 07:27 PM // 19:27

I hate to be a nitpick, but since it IS my field of expertise, I can't help myself.

The quote you are thinking of Aniewiel is "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need." The exact phrasing depends on the translation. But the quote itself is from Karl Marx's "Communist Manifesto".

I've found that people always seem to think that the quote sounds really good, then you tell them the source and they seem to have second thoughts. This especially seems to be true in my parent's generation who lived through the entire Cold War and were brought up to view communism as the "enemy".

And that was "Deep Thoughts" for today.

ManadartheHealer · Sep 03, 2005, 07:36 PM // 19:36

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Originally Posted by Aracos79

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need." The exact phrasing depends on the translation. But the quote itself is from Karl Marx's "Communist Manifesto".

I've found that people always seem to think that the quote sounds really good, then you tell them the source and they seem to have second thoughts.

That just shows their horrible level of ignorance or prejudice. If you like a certain quote, and then you found out it was said by Lenin, will you stop liking the quote (even if the context is still the same)?

Chances are these people who like that quote and are instantly averted to it when they hear the source have never read any bit of Marx and are only going off what other people tell them. Which is a shame.

"There are none so deaf as those that will not hear" -Lenin

Sorry for the OT post, I couldn't help myself

Xue Yi Liang · Sep 03, 2005, 07:44 PM // 19:44

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Originally Posted by Aracos79

I've found that people always seem to think that the quote sounds really good, then you tell them the source and they seem to have second thoughts. This especially seems to be true in my parent's generation who lived through the entire Cold War and were brought up to view communism as the "enemy".

Funny, isn't it? Well put.
People are also fond of quoting Friedrich Nietzsche ("That which does not kill me makes me stronger" etc.) but don't realize his arguments form the foundation of the glorification of the Ubermensche - a concept quite useful for the purposes of, say, Adolph Hitler.

I think the source of quotes is quite relevant. People unknowingly apply them to bolster a personal argument. But if the quote is part of a thesis that's not universally accepted, it only serves to weaken an argument instead of bolster it.

Aracos79 · Sep 03, 2005, 07:53 PM // 19:53

Any quote can be misused and taken out of context. And people love to do so quite frequently if they find something that they think makes them sound more persuasive. They aren't interested in where the quote came from, or what the author was trying to say. They just have a point to make, and they'll do anything they think will help them make it.

Sorry Aniewiel... I didn't mean to hijack your thread with a philosophical debate, but I'm just a junkie for political philosophy.

ManadartheHealer · Sep 03, 2005, 07:55 PM // 19:55

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Originally Posted by Xue Yi Liang

People are also fond of quoting Friedrich Nietzsche ("That which does not kill me makes me stronger" etc.) but don't realize his arguments form the foundation of the glorification of the Ubermensche - a concept quite useful for the purposes of, say, Adolph Hitler.

Actually, Nietzsche found the idea of Fascism/Nazis laughable. It is a common misconception that the two are related in any way. While Hitler may have thought otherwise, Nietzsche himself was NOT arguing for Fascism and/or Nazis

"Faith: not wanting to know what it true" -Nietzsche

Sorry for the now two offtopic posts with attached quotes

Inde · Sep 03, 2005, 08:59 PM // 20:59

Celebrities etc - nice.

But where are companies like Exxon and Haliburton? Companies making BILLIONS of profit per year?

Xue Yi Liang · Sep 03, 2005, 09:06 PM // 21:06

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Originally Posted by ManadartheHealer

Actually, Nietzsche found the idea of Fascism/Nazis laughable. It is a common misconception that the two are related in any way. While Hitler may have thought otherwise, Nietzsche himself was NOT arguing for Fascism and/or Nazis

"Faith: not wanting to know what it true" -Nietzsche

Sorry for the now two offtopic posts with attached quotes

OK. I implied a more intimate association between the two - but my point still stands about Adolph Hitler.
Thanks for catching me on that one.

Divinitys Creature · Sep 03, 2005, 10:23 PM // 22:23

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Originally Posted by Inde

Celebrities etc - nice.

But where are companies like Exxon and Haliburton? Companies making BILLIONS of profit per year?

That's what I want to know. Stars make a lot of money, but in the big picture they are small fry - it's just that they are the rich people you know about. The oil companies/other big cahunas should pony up.